Hitherto Unknown Secrets !

A malefic in the third and kendras makes one put heavy efforts to accomplish the task
Similarly many malefic in tenth shows one has to make Mahaprayatna

After the deat of Karn Shalya and Shakuni ,Duryodhan was very unhappy . Kritavarma , Ashvaththama and Kripacharya were repeatedly troubled by  Bheem and Arjun finally they fled to nearby Forests .

Dhritarashtra send Sanjay to know the welfare of Duryodhan , Satyaki captures Sanjay . Vedvyasa urges to Set free Sanjay . Duryodhan angered runs towards the battlefield all alone . He defeats Sahadev Nakul . With his arrows he hits Arjun hard and Arjun falls unconscious . Then Bheemsen runs after him and destroys his chariot .
Duryodhan mounts a elephant and attacks Satyai , Satyaki fall unconscious . Duryodhan taking a pras weapon attacks Yudisthir . Nakul and sahadev , All hit sit on the chariot motionless . Bheemsen kills the elephant and cuts out Pras . Then Duryodhan mounts a horse as the horse is killed by BHEEMSEN . Duryodhan flees the battlefield and enters Dwaipayan sarovar with his gada .

There in the Dwaipayan pond , he undertakes jalsthambhan . Duryodhan undertakes the japa of mantra given to him by Durvasa muni , This japa if continued for 7 days would bring back from death entire army of the kauravas and they would never die again in battlefield .

Out of 11 akshouhini sena 6 were killed by BHEEM and 5 by Arjun  , whatever was left was killed  by Dhristadhyumna , Gatotkach and Abhimany  Satyaki .other pandavas .  seven akshouhini of PAndavas , three was killed  by Ashwaththama , rest by Bheeshma Drona Karna kritavarma each less than the former .
Panadavas happy about victory went to Dwaipayan sarovar , there Ashwaththama seeing them alongwith Krishna ran away .

krishna ordered Yudhisthir to use harsh language against Duryodhan .
Yudhisthir said come out for a fight , Duryodhan replied , ” You enjoy the Kingdom ” Yudhisthir said Duryodhan you had said not even a size of needle head would be given to PAndavas , now after taking bali of Bheeshma DRona , talking this does not make sense ,we cannot enjoy the kingdom without killing you, I dont think so you are a Kuru born for you are denying war “

Aggravated Duryodhan rose from the water and came to the shore . he said ” yudhisthir , you all are with kavach and armoury and weapons , i have none . still i will fight with you all single handedly ”
Yudhisthir said ” you  will be provided weapons and kavach , and you can choose anyone of us to fight and if you kill anyone of us , rest of us will go to the forest and if you die we will all together rule ” .
duryodhan ‘ Arjun and sahadev nakul and yourself are all too meek to fight with me , Only Bheem is fit for me . I choose a the gada “
Bheemsen takes a gada 1 and half times more heavier than Duryodhan’s gada and fight begins .

Krishna resnts Yudhisthir , says your giving choice to Duryodhan to fight was wrong . If Duryodhan had chosen Arjun , or any other four other than Bheem all these efforts uptill now would have gone waste .
Because the other four are no match for him . Even Bheem would kill him ” somehow “.
Duryodhan  if he holds mace [ gada] none in the three worlds not even Indra and all deities put together can defeat him . This is because he is very ‘nipuna ‘.

Krishna shows utter displeasure towards Yudhisthir .

Many doubts arise with these words of krishna towards Duryodhan . Also to be noted is Duryodhan praises Bheema before fight begins as someone worth fighting . Better than Arjun .

This incident also Shows Krishna rating Bheema higher than Arjun .
Now the doubts ?
Duryodhan is nipun , does that mean Bheem is not nipun or not as nipun as Duryodhan ?

secondly Krishna says Bheem would kill Duryodhan ‘ somehow’? Somehow means  , Does Bheem have to struggle to kill him . or is Bheem not as strong as Duryodhan etc etc .

The answer to this should be contemplated against the background that , Bheem is the strongest has been declared by Krishna and Duryodhan himself in virat prasang also . Krishna while jarasandha episode declares him to be strongest . Also Krishna says Bheem you have many times  more qualities than what you actually think you have .
 
Vedayasa says There is none equal to Bheemsen in both the armies in terms of strength and knowledge as well .
So it cannot be dismissed that these words  Of krishna meant anythig less wrtr BHEEM.

The word nipuna in terms of Duryodhan is to indicate that , Duryodhan was mahaprayatna shali . Both Duryodhan and Bheem had learnt from Balaram . so only Duryodhan could have been nipun aowing to this training  from balaram .
Nipuna was due to extreme efforts he was putting in practising gada yudha to kill Bheemsen . This mahaprayatna was a plus factor in his favour [ excessive efforts and practise cannot be discounted it is a potent factor ]
Also Duryodhan had a mantrashakti . these factors weighed heavily against arjun and other four to counter Duryodhan .

Bheemsen was he not mahaprayatnashali . was Bheem not putting maximum efforts in his endeavour . No because killing duryodhan was not a very difficult task for Bheemsen . Putting extra extreme efforts on fairly simple tasks is not the quality of Uttam Purush , great personalities .

Bheemsen would kill somehow does not mean with little possibility .
what is meant by it ,Bheem had vowed to break the thighs of Duryodhan . hitting below the navel is adharm in gadyudh .
Now carrying out the Pratignya is more important dharma failure of which will give more adharma vartan [ failure to stick to dharma] if Duryodhan is killed by hitting above the waist , then pratignya will be broken . If he kills by hitting the thigh , then pratignya is upheld but gadayudh niyam will be broken . So without getting into situation of breaking some rule , Duryodhan cannot be killed , so the word somehow is used by the Lord Krishna .

krishnarpanamastu.

Comments on: "18th Day – Lord Krishna resents Yudhishthir" (14)

  1. Namaskar Acharya,

    ” what is there as well not there elsewhere is also there in Mahabharata and what is not there in mahabharta is not there anywhere ”

    As also mentioned we (jigyasu on these blog) can spend our lifetimes just discussing what has already been written in articles and still wouldn’t do any justice to it. When we just make a small change in our perspective we stumble upon new meanings and revelations in these articles. In reference to above article if for a moment we take it from the point of view of a Sadhaka or a jeeva striving for moksha then from this view following scenario seems to emerge:

    Satyaki (Arjun’s disciple) captures Sanjay (a messenger), Bhagwan VedVyasa urges to release (not an advisable way to overcome Kali) him this also agitates Duryodhana (Kali) He attacks and defeats Nakul Sehdeva, Arjun (the sadhak) falls unconscious by this attack. Further Yudhishthir an others are rendered motionless. Bheem (Vayu) comes to rescue and dismounts Kali of its Vahan, Kali goes into the Dwayipayan pond a 7 day japa of a mantra provided by Rudra (abhimani devta of mind) would make Kali ever more powerful reversing all the good work till now.

    Here Hari indicates that Arjun (the sadhaka) himself is no match to Kali only Vayu can save the day. Under the rules regulations and various practical restrictions it would be difficult even for Vayu to save him (sadhaka) from Kali but he would ‘somehow’ do that with Hari’s blessings. As its Vayu’s Pratignya to conquer Kali.

    So if one begins to continue this line of thought various dumbfounding insights are revealed, The above thought process seems to indicate towards many hidden and subtle meanings of Mahabharata in different planes. Numerology seems to play an enormous role for example 11 akshouhini Kaurava sena (goals for sadhaka) is to be conquered, Arjuna does 5 (pancha indriya) rest 6 are done by Vayu for us. If we try an incorporate the concepts Kartrutva it would mean a sadhaka or jeeva by himself is not capable of mukti.

    Sir Please forgive if above analysis violates principles of Tatvavaada. It’s just that its very exciting to know that How enormous Mahabharata is an what amount of blessings Acharya Madhva and his lineage have in store for us.

    Sincere Pranaams
    Hare Srinivasa.

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    • * Of course without Hari Vayu and Guru’s blessings the real knowledge would always remain elusive and all sorts of delusional conclusions would be arrived at. There can be no doubt regarding this.

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    • * Of course without Hari Vayu and Guru’s blessings the real knowledge would always remain elusive and all sorts of delusional conclusions would be arrived at. There can be no doubt regarding this.

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  2. karthik said:

    respected chiraanji,
    you have mentioned that in the great mahabharata war

    “Out of 11 akshouhini sena 6 were killed by BHEEM and 5 by Arjun , whatever was left was killed by Dhristadhyumna , Gatotkach and Abhimany Satyaki .other pandavas ”

    if 6 akshouhini sena was killed by BHEEMJI remaining 5 by Arjunji then 6+5 = 11 akshouhini was completely destroyed by both of them alone . in that case how many people were sent to the abode of yama by others on the pandava side ?

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  4. PRNAM YOGI-CHIRAANJI, I HAVE LEARNT SUCH A LOT FROM THIS SITE.I AM SURE ALL THE
    OTHER PEOPLE SHARE THE SAME SENTIMENT.
    I HAVE FEW QUESTIONS GURUJI, FROM JANMA KUNDLI HOW TO FIND OUT THE NUMBER
    OF BROTHERS (2)SISTERS.(3)PROFESSION OF FATHER,GRAND FATHER FROM BOTH SIDE
    (4)TWO MARRIAGES OF BOTH SIDES?
    IF THERE IS A BOOK I CAN CONSULT TO LEARN THIS ASPECT .
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    • navamsha gives the number of brothers and sisiters
      profession of father is known from 10th from Sun grandfather from ketu rahu .
      two marraiges are known by debilitation of seventh lord or number of planets in seventh
      Brihat parashar hora shastra gives good explanation

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  5. kishore said:

    chiraan ji namaste
    please dont stop presenting your articles about MAHABHARATHA,RAMAYANA, BHAGAVADGITA. as we have read it before , but we are going to that lineage and assuming that we are seeing it real going on in front of our eyes by the way of your NARRATION. so
    please continue

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  6. Chiraanavre,

    Please post articles on all aspects, I have a doubt here.

    “There in the Dwaipayan pond , he undertakes jalsthambhan . Duryodhan undertakes the japa of mantra given to him by Durvasa muni , This japa if continued for 7 days would bring back from death entire army of the kauravas and they would never die again in battlefield .”

    a) If Mukhyaprana, Bheemsena devaru has killed them, how can they come back to life ?
    b) Their bodies were burnt, what does it mean coming back to life ?

    Similarly during Jarasandha vada, when Bheemsena devaru splits Jarasandha does he join back as shown in the tv series. I doubt it because, Jarasandha was joined by Rakshasa magic ( black magic ) and Bheemsena devaru dismanteled him ( Vishnu bhakti ) so there is no chance of him joining back again.

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    • chiraan said:

      Sharira is panchabhutamaya , which is under control of Rudra [ Durvasa] , so such a mantra exists which can give back panchabhutamaya sharira even if it is burnt .[ But the dead bodies in the warfield were not burnt yet . They were burnt only after duryodhan’s death . Infact vultures were praying at the bodies even while war was on , the river of blood was flowing through Kurukshetra and carnivorous animals were having a feast . even Duryodha as he was still alive vultures were feeding on him and there was none to take care of him .

      Jarasandha body was joined by Jara not through rakshamaya but by Bramha vara . that is why it joins even if torn apart . There is no logic in saying that it could not join because it was laid on opposite side . As per bramha vara it should still join . But as Krishna makes a sankalp that jarasandha should die and the two should not join , Then it signals and end to the Jarasandha . 15 days fight does not hamper Bheems ability but jarasandha had a boon from Shiva of avadhyatva . To honour this 15 days were taken for fight .

      Thirdly 100 kings sacrifice was to achieve Bramha padvi . which is hampered by Lord Krishna .

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  7. Dear guruji

    Of late i see a lot of discussion are going on mahabharatha than astrology in different sections of this astrolgoy blog.

    THough the stories,principle behind these are very informative and useful ,i would appreciate if you can tilt the balance in favour of astrology more than the epic mahabharatha.

    we expect more of pure astrology from you in the coming days

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    • chiraan said:

      There is a saying in the Purana that ‘ what is there as well not there elsewhere is also there in Mahabharata and what is not there in mahabharta is not there anywhere ”

      mahabharat is pancham veda and Lord has written to be studied by all irrespective of their status as woman men low high etc . Jyotish is vedanga . Vedanga is chiefly used to decipher what is written in vedas . vedas cannot be known without the help of vedangas . So primary aim of Jyotish is unlock vedic lore . As the motto is to include common man , instead of vedas Mahabharta is being used .

      In varaha Purana it is said . Vedas have to be read . Gayatri japa in the morning gives sampoorna Veda parayan phala .

      Jyotish and vedanga abhyasa gives phala as follows , Ganita samhita bhaga adhyayana gives half the veda parayan phala and phalit bhaga adhyayan gives shunya phala .

      The discussion should actually go thus why does Karna [ or certain character ]behaved so what planet caused it , why it could have not been otherwise , how planetary effects resulted in such an act . But unfortunately no astrolgers are here to rake up issues to that level . thus our discussions are limited to Characters only .

      Only astrology without vedic reference would be a meaningless exercise .

      I hope I have answered your query . But as I see you are a serious Jyotishi I shall write more about astrology in Lessons In astrology Section . Hope people will also raise pure astrology questions there .

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