Hitherto Unknown Secrets !

  • When kaltrakaraka is in swa uchhca and mitra navamsa one will get wife from the same or higher caste as per the relative strength of the lagna lord .

  • When kalatrakaraka is in shatru neech navamsa aspected and associated with malefics ,one will marry woman from lower caste .the status of the woman and its family in the social strata will be known by the strength of the karaka .

  • Seventh lord , seventh navamsa and venus and dara karaka whoever is stronger becomes kalatrakaraka .

There are chiefly four castes viz :

  1. Bramhin

  2. Kshatriya

  3. Vaishya

  4. Shudra

In the beginning of the creation only Vedic way of life was prevalent everywhere in the world . Slowly due to intermixing of these catses other cultures sprangup and as these mixed children were given different lands to stay . They were also handed down different code of conduct as per their capacity which over the centuries developed into a different races .

When the four castes intermix they give rise to 16 castes .They are as follows .

Off these when a man of higher catse marries the girl of immediate succeeding caste the children born belong to the caste of Father . When the difference exceeds two castes then the sanskaar is of mothers’s side.

For example Bramhin marrying kshatriya the son born is MOORDHAVASTIKA lives like a bramhin only . So also Kshatriya marrrying Vaishya lives like kshatriya .

Bramhin marrying girl of

  1. vaishya son born is Ambashtha

  2. shudra son is knowm as Nishaad [ parashava]

Bramhin girl marrying boy of

  1. kshatriya son born is Suta

  2. Vaishya son born is Vaidehik

  3. Shudra son born is Chandaal

Kshatriya boy marrying girl of :

  1. shudra son born is known as Ugra

kshatriya girl marrying boy of

  1. vaishya son born is Magadh

  2. shudra son born is Kshatra

Vaishya girl marrying a shudra boy

  1. son born is ayogada .

All the sons born in intercaste marriages where mother is higher than father’s caste and where mother is not a shudra woman are known as Apsada and are eligibe for Veda . And get the upanayana sanskara as per the mothers’ caste . Apsadas can recite mantras without the omkara .

16 castes formed from the intermixing of four castes further when they intermix with the four primary castes , 64 castes arise . All the sons born to woman of vedhadhikara can have upanayana samskara .

Nishaad caste resides with the mother , so Nishaad marrrying shudra woman gives rise to PUKKAS and Shudra marrying Nishaad gives KUKKUTAKA

Kshatra with Ugra girl begets a SHWAPAAK [ one who eats dog’s flesh]

Vaidehik with Ambashtha begets a VEN

When Primary caste of Bramhin Kshatriya and Vaishya leave their sanskaara they become VRATYA .It is generally seen such Vratya only marries the mix castes brought up generally in the womans house of intermixed family .

So Bramhin Vratya gives rise to sons from mixed castes as

  1. Bhurjakantaka [ Bramhin +Prostitute]

  2. Avantya [Bramhin + Magadh]

  3. Vaatdhaan [ Bramhin + Kshatra]

  4. Pushpadha [ Bramhin +Ayogada]

  5. Shaikh [ bedouin] [ Bramhin + Chandaal]

A Kshatriya vratya gives sons as follows in apasadas

  1. Ghulla

  2. Malla

  3. Nicchiva

  4. Nata

  5. Karan

  6. Khasa

  7. Dravida

A Vaishya Vratya begets sons in apasadas as follows

  1. sudhanva

  2. Kaarush

  3. Vijanya

  4. Maitra

  5. Saatvata

Usually premarital sex , incest and Shunning once own culture results into intermixed society .These are further elaborated thus . The more intermixing the lesser will be the qualities of the progeny . Anuloma and pratilomas marrying into their catses give sons equivalent to their fathers .

Danyu marrying a Ayogada gives rise to Sairandhri . Hair styling , massage and hunting are the works fit for these progeny .

Vaidehik marrying a ayogada giving rise to maitra is sweet in conversation and should be allocated the work of ringing bells in Rajmandir or devalaya [ temples]

Nishaads intermixed with ayogada girl will give a margava or Kaivarta is fit for driving boats in the sea or river .

These castes of margav maitra sairadhri do not hesitate to eat from the same plates . They do not have concept of ucchista .

Nishaad in Vaidehi will give KARAVAR , who is adept in sewing the leather . Reverse will give ANDROMEDA who lives away from the villages .

Chandaal in Vaidehi will give Pandusopaak he can deseed or oil the crops . Reverse will give Ahindak who should be employed in jails .

Pukkas in chandaal woman will give SOPAAK he can be given the work of beheading the culprits in jail as per court orders.

Nishaad and chandaal give the son named Antyaavasayi he is empoyed in smashaan [ crematorium] to burn the corpse .

Caste also changes with the tapasya like Vishwamitra .Caste also changes by the power of Beeja like Rushyashringa .

A parashava woman when married to bramhin such marriages in the seventh generation gives rise to Bramhin son . Third generation for ambastha married to Bramhin gives a bramhin son . Similarly for Kshatriya and Vaishyas . This is known as jatyautkarsha .

Kshatriyas after shunning their sanskaras and without the company of bramhins became vrushali [ fallen] . Such fallen Kshatriyas got intermixed to give rise to cultures of

  • Poundraka

  • Odra

  • Dravida

  • kambhoj

  • Yavan[ Greeks]

  • Shaka [ Egyptians]

  • Parad

  • Apahlava

  • China

  • Kiraat [East Asia]

  • Darada [ Africa]

  • khasha [ North East ]

These people started talking languages other than Sanskrit and were mainly indulging in theft and oppression of people they ruled .

Sutas should drive chariots . Ambashthas should look after hospital . Vaidehikas should do service of the forts and palaces . Magadhs are suited for business and commerce.

Nishaad eat fish , Andromeda flesh , ayogava tvasti , and madgus eat jungle birds .

Huntings these also form their work .

Kshatra , Ugra and Pukkas eat animals living in holes and bila . Digvan will make leather and Ven can act as musicians or vessel makers . They can also live on collecting herbs , wood , materials found in caves and forests .

Chandaals can breed donkeys and dogs . They have right over dead . These are nomads . The have jewelleries made of iron and forest output . These can burn unclaimed dead bodies .

Talking harshly and behaving abrashly and less culture are the chief qualities of mixed society . Ahimsa , truth , cleanliness and control over senses are chief qualities of higher birth . Seventh generation of mixed castes girl married to higher catse becomes equal to fathers’ caste .

Seven generation of a Bramhin if indulged in Kingship it becomes Kshatriya , if indulged in Commerce then it becomes Vaishya and if in service then they shudras.

A good person doing a bad act and a bad person doing a good act cannot become equals . So one should always indulge in work which is suited to ones qualities .

In times of calamity Bramhin can live like a Kshatriya when that is not possible he can take up farming and commerce . He should not sell milk , liquids or flesh . .

There is no restriction on living for shudra , he can eat anything he can live as per his choice , there is no binding on him. Such vidhi nishedh should not be forced upon him . If shudra wants to do some dharma karya , he can carry it out without mantras .

Thus 64 castes gives rise to 128 castes . At this point divorce , adultery and remarraiges becomes a habitual quality of the progeny . So two types Kunda and Golakas are segregated to form 256 castes . Kunda and golakas are those born to women from others when husband is alive and second to those when husband is dead .

These children are absolutely freewilled . They do not bind to any kind of rules regulations and culture . Such swechhcharis[ Mletchas] should be guided by the King with the rule of Law .

Krishnarpanamastu .

Comments on: "Varna Vyavastha – Caste system" (45)

  1. deepthishan said:

    Are caste systems still applicable after so many years? I’m a girl descended from >9 generations (that’s as far as I could go) of Kshatriyas (the same subcaste as well) but CANNOT imagine marrying into our caste! I respect our history, traditions, inheritance and everything but frankly I’m soo sick of it and pple making such a big deal out of how great we are!

    Not that it matters to me but just curious: what do the Vedas say about different Kshatriya Clans intermarrying?

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    • a kshatriya boy can marry kshatriya vaishya shudra girls , except bramhin girl . and kshatriya girl can marry kshatriya or bramhin boy . interkshatriya clan only should marry , intra clan is not suitable .

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      • Namaskar Guruji,

        I want to know that can a brahmin boy marry a kshatriya girl is it against the vedic rules ?

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  2. Gurudev Pranam,
    I want to marry a Brahmin girl, my parents believe that for us (we are Vaishyas) Brahmin girl have the status of mother and that we cannot marry a Brahmin girl. My parents are still ok me marrying a girl from the remaning three castes but not ok with a Brahmin girl. Do you know of any Vedas, mythological recordings where this is dealt with? Can you please guide me Gurudev?

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  3. prabhakar said:

    please write the slokas from where you had got it so it can be useful to everyone.

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  4. Respected Sir,

    You advised earlier that everyone can read Puranas ? Similarly can every varna read Vedas ?

    Regards
    K

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  5. Adarniya Guruji,

    Your statement “Seventh lord , seventh navamsa and venus and dara karaka whoever is stronger becomes kalatrakaraka .” . What should be the basis of measuring such strength ? Is it vimsopaka bala OR Shadbala Strength ?

    Regards
    K

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    • chiraan said:

      shadbala

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      • Respected Guruji – In that case what if Rahu is a Darakaraka ? Because Rahu does not have Shadbala strength ? How should we take this fact into consideration while comparing 7th lord, 7th Navamsa and DK ?

        Regards
        K

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        • chiraan said:

          rahu gives result akin to lord and association .

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          • Respected Sir – That is true for concluding results of where Rahu is placed which you kindly educated us earlier. But when determining strength, Can I correctly assume that e.g. If Rahu is DK and placed in Pisces, then I should look for Shadbala of Guru when looking for strength of Rahu to determine the strongest among DK, 7th lord and 7th Navamsa ?

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  6. Ravi Chandrasekhara said:

    Dear Chiraan Guru,

    1. It is mentioned in the blog: Off these when a man of higher catse marries the girl of immediate succeeding caste the children born belong to the caste of Father . When the difference exceeds two castes then the sanskaar is of mothers’s side.

    For example Bramhin marrying kshatriya the son born is MOORDHAVASTIKA lives like a bramhin only .

    2.So a Moordhavastika male marrying a Brahmin female or Moordhavasitka female should result in Brahmin progeny, correct ? And also a Moordhavasitka female marrying a Brahmin male or Moordhavasitka Male should result in Brahmin progeny. In puraanas, the lineage from Brighu rishi who married Kshatriyas produced Brahmin progeny (sons) and they in turn married Kshatriyas and also resulted in Brahmin sons, for example, Chavanya, Aurva, Jamadagni, etc.

    3.I also read from an English translation of Manu Smriti that if a Paravasa male maries a Paravasa female and susequent generations of Paravasa males marry Paravasa females that in the 7th generation would result in Brahmin progeny. Is it correct ?

    4.With regards to Suta: If a Suta male marries a Kshatriya female or Brahmin female, what is the resultant progeny ? Or if a Suta female marries a Brahmin male or Kshatriya male ?

    Dhanyavaad,
    Ravi

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  7. Ravi Chandrasekhara said:

    Pranam Chiraan Guruji,

    Thank you for clrifying my questions. Your blog is based on Manu Smriti, correct ?
    I have some questions re: jatyautkarsha

    1. In the blog; Usually premarital sex , incest and Shunning once own culture results into intermixed society . This was my question regarding, Chandra Devatha, son of Atri Rishi. He eloped with another’s wife and had a child, Budha. My question was, what varna would Budha belong to as he would be considered illegitimate and would that affect his subsequent progeny. Or is it different since Chandra and Budha are not ordinary humans and are Devathas instead.

    2.Do partiloma jaathis’ progeny regain the original varna after generations of marriage with the original varna ? For example Suta man and woman marrying will produce a Suta and so on. But would be progeny of a Suta girl with a Brahmin male and does it hold true that after a number of generations of such marriages (the next generation female marryhing a Brahmin male) results in becoming a Brahmin. What about Suta female with a Kshatriya male ?

    3.Is Yadu known as a Suta since mother was Devayani and father being Yayati ? If so, how could a Suta be made a king ? Were subsequent progeny of Yadu married to Kshatriya girls to beccome a Kshatriya lineage ?

    4.Would it hold true that if a Brahmin married a mlechcha (for example a European female) and their daughter married a Brahmin subsequent generations of like marriages, would result in Brahmin lineage after some time ?

    Dhanyavaad,
    Ravi

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    • legitimacy and illegitimacy does not change caste . BOth Chandra and tara were bramhins . Chandra did not suffer gurupatni gaman dosha nor did he force himself onto her,nor did he go to hell for it [ i Think tthese hints are enough to point out that there was nothing wrong with the union and budha never showed traits of anti GOD qualities which is usual in illegitimacy] . Normally illegitimacy occurs when there is default of character on part of TARA , the son born is at chandra’s place and it is tara who declares it so . Finally the child is given to chandra only by the dictum of BRAMHA . Thus Budha is chandra’s son . [just like a dattak putra] .
      Budha was a bramhin taken to Kshatriya sanskara .

      It is ususally the third generation ie female of ambashtha marrying bramhin the sons are still ambashtha , but the female born if married again to bramhin gives a bramhin son , for sudra caste it is seventh generation for mletchas it is umpteenth generation because a mletcha is thousand times lesser than a sudra .
      Yadu was not made king his progenies were .

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  8. Respected Guruji,

    Now a days, we are also seeing marriages happening amongst the first cousins. What is the take of scriptures on this ? Does this amount to sin ? What are the effects ?

    Also in one of the posts, you mentioned that those who do not marry their daughters as per their wish incur the rinh and sin. What should a parent do in such situations to avoid being caught in the grip of adharma ?

    Regards
    K

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  9. Ravi Chandrasekhara said:

    Pranam Chiraanji,

    Very interesting. I have many questions but will take time formulate. I am a Braahmana residing in USA and involved in Braahmana organizations.

    I have a question regarding origin of Chandravamshi lineage personalities:

    1.Soma (son of Atri Rishi) eloped with Brihsapathi Rishi’s wife Tara and had a son named Budha. Based on above criteria, he should be an illegitimate child and yet Budha’s son Pururvas bacame founder of Chandravamshi Kshatriya lineage. Being a son of an illegitimate son, how could he be a Kshatriya ?

    2.Further in the line, Yayati (a Kshatriya or perhaps unknown position being a descendant of Budha) married Devayani ( daughter of Shukracharya and hence a Brahmin). How could their pratiloma offspring, viz, Yadu, Puru, etc be considered Kshatriyas as opposed to being Sutas? How could this pratiloma viviaha been approved ?

    3. Further in the lineage in the Haiheya branch, Veetahavya (great grandson of Kartaveerya Arjuna) was defeated in the Battle of the 10 Kings, took refuge in Brighu’s ashrama and became a Brahmin. How did this transformation occur ? I belong to Vadhula gotra whose pravara is: Bhargava, Veetahavya, and Savetsa.

    Dhanyavaad,
    Ravi

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    • Pururava is not illegitimate , so he is founder of race not BUDHA . Chandra is born to atri a bramhin . but as the lineage engages in Kshatriya dharma it became kshatriya just as sun being born to Kashyap a bramhin his son Ikshvaku became kshatriya .

      Puru is sharmishtha ‘s son not devyani’s . hence kshatriya. vivaha was an accident . Pratiloma vivaha do take place else there never would be sarathis in mahabharata .
      I have already written in the blog , third geneartion gets jatyautkarsha between bramhins and Kshatriya.

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  10. narender said:

    gurudev pranam,
    (There is no restriction on living for shudra , he can eat anything he can live as per his choice , there is no binding on him. Such vidhi nishedh should not be forced upon him . If shudra wants to do some dharma karya , he can carry it out without mantras . )

    does it mean that LORD will not look out for the mistakes or wrongs done by them whatever they do or
    are still be regulated ? if yes , how easy for them is to please the lord and attain moksha?
    kindly enlighten because
    if scheduled castes are shudra, i belong

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    • Scheduled castes are other than shudras , but are restricted for mantras . , there is no binding , God does overlook in this janma , but he attains higher births next and everyone takes birth of bramhin before going to MOksha .

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      • Raguraman said:

        Om Om Namo Narayanaya Om
        Om Shri Gurubhyo Namaha
        Om Shri Raghavendraya Namaha

        Dear Sir,

        In Gita, Shri Hari says Kings like Janaka etc. obtained Moksha through Karma ( Karma being His name and also referring to Karma Yoga).

        In addition, Shri Hari says in 9:32 as follows

        mam hi partha vyapasritya ye ‘pi syuh papa-yonayah
        striyo vaisyas tatha sudras te ‘pi yanti param gatim

        Indeed, even those who are of sinful birth, namely women, Vaisyas and sudras, even they depending on Me, attain Moksha (param gatim).

        So how can it be said that one has to be born as Brahmana to attaon Moksha?

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        • One as to do sadhana to attain moksha . Moksa sadhana is done only in Bramhin birth . BUt when sadhna is over , only prarabdha remains . This prarabdha can be good or bad . According to Prarabdha one attains last birth in different yonis . So if prarrabdha warrants one to be other than bramhin also , it is essentially a evolved soul . Even in hat birth , as the time of death arrives the soul recollects entire meaning of OMKARA [ as per vedas] and in a yogic state of mind the soul leaves the body trough bramha randra , which in a sudra body it might not be possible for all ,but as prarabdha ends , the soul due to past sadhana recollects and attains moksha . This is what evident in bhagavata . AFter listening to & days discourse , a preta in bamboo shoots attains mOKKSHA, but why didnt others in the gathering of the Bhagavat attain Moksha like it? reason is praradha and sadhana pending !!!!!

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          • Raguraman said:

            Om Om namo Narayana Om
            Om Shri Gurubhyo Namaha
            Om Shri Raghavendraya Namaha

            Dear Sir,

            1. What is “Moksha sadhana” and how it is related to aparoksha Jnana state as stated in Upanishads and Gita (2:59)(param drstvA nivartate)?

            2. What are the different stages of spiritual development leading to aparoksha Jnana?

            3. How does one even attain sthitha prajna state as stated in Bhagavad Gita? It seems to be an impossible task to control one’s mind, a drunk monkey stung by poisonous scorpion as you have stated elsewhere in another article.

            Besides doing Sandhyavandana (the only nitya karma I do in addition to Harinama smarana, I chant Rama mantra everyday 16 x 108), what else one must do to control one’s senses. Shri Krishna states in Gita until Aparoksha the taste for sensual pleasure remains. So all one can do is control senses, I guess. But mind keeps pulling back destroying all good sadhanas. Controlling one’s mind seems an impossible task.

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            • Moksha sadhana starts , when one completely feels world is repetitive , and only hari and his grace is permanent . Then one starts sadhana under a suitable guru .
              theere are many stages .
              it does not end even after aparoksha , for devatas it starts after aparoksha .

              stitha pragny can be obtained only by study of shastras . Completely understanding sutra is one way . ekadashi upavas is best way control senses .

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          • Raguraman said:

            Om Om Namo Narayanaya Om
            Om Shri Gurubhyo Namaha
            Om Shri Raghavendraya Namaha

            Dear Sir,

            Thankyou very much (from my heart) for enlightening me even though I ask questions after questions. My next question is people like me have not studied scriptures under a Guru and have been leading a materialistic life with very minimal spiritual sadhanas. We have not obtained formal training on Sanskrit. So studying Brahma Sutras is beyond our scope as of today. Ekadashi Upavas can be done, nirjala is too difficult, so I can do Ekadasi with taking water.

            However I am very interested in learning shastras from a Guru. Is there any sadhana one should do to get a suitable Guru? Unfortunately all available opportunities for me to learn are from schools which teach viparita jnana. I am not completely away from worldly pleasures, but have been fortunate enough to get complete faith in Acharya’s teachings (although coming from advaita background). This faith is only from a little I know about Acharya’s teachings. When I have such a faith, I want to learn from a Guru as much as possible in this janma. That is why I ask if I can do any sadhana to obtain a Guru and learn from him properly. I ask this with all sincerity.

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            • Get a purascharane of ” Yabhyam …….” fromm VAyustuti for 48 days . or alternatively get madhu abhisheka for 48 days in any Raghavendra swamy temple for Hanuman . This will get you you gurubhakti sadhana . and learning will begin

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