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AstroConfusions !

Parashara enumerates the qualities of astrologer who can give accurate predictions :

  1. Expert in mathematics
  2. Must have toiled hard to gain proficiency  in grammar [science of sounds and words  ]
  3. Well versed in Law of the land .
  4. Intelligent
  5. Having complete grasp of geo political situation of the Land at the time .
  6. Having grasp of time zones ,directions and space .
  7. having conquered Senses. [ principled ]
  8. Fertile imagination , well versed in logic and adept at reasoning and logical inference .
  9. Uses his knowledge in accordance with treatise on astronomy and astrology .
  10. Truthful

Such an astrologer will never fail in his words .

Why so much of stringent qualities have been put on Astrologers ?

Astrology is a complex shastra ! It has many variants in practise . Each Practitioner has his own interpretation of shastra and consequently a new theory ! In the overall run to master astrology , if these theories are not carefully filtered , astrology remains a fascinating jugglery in the realms of statistics and probability !

Lets look at variants .

>To start with Astrology is science of Planets and its motion around earth and subsequently their impact on Human beings .

counterview 1 : Planets and its motion around SUN .

Implication : If Planets affect the humans then every object circling SUN should affect human beings so URANUS NEPTUNE and scores others should also affect human beings . so if a some effect is due to Neptune and if it is not mentioned in shastra that is because , astrology is still evolving and rishis of yesteryears were not adept in astronomy as much as NASA so they could not find Neptune etc and hence could only predict for NINE planets only . Now that NEPTUNE etc have been discovered , additional  results have been attributed . HOW ? trial and error !

Objection : Suppose if few more planets that are not yet discovered , if discovered later will change astrology ! The result that I am facing may be due to some unknown Planet not yet discovered but still we are trying to fix it to existing planetary configuration ! Isn’t it unscientific ! Oh I think its hard to say which planet discovered /undiscovered is currently responsible for my miseries ! No one cannot say it with authority ! WHo knows there dozen other RAHu ketus in system ? By the PARASHARA did mention there are may ketus in the space .

Oh ASTROLOGY is probabilistic science , its evolving ! Nothing can be said definitely !

> The Zodiac [BHACHAKRA]  is constant

counterview: Zodiac – BHACHAKRA is moving .

Implication :  Say sun moves in zodiac , lets say on Mar 21 xxxx Sun was at 00 Aries .

 So when Sun returns after one year on Mar 21 xxxx+1 . Is Sun at 0 deg Aries or Zodiac has moved ahead . so Which Zodiac should we consider moved one or previous one .

Counterview : Mar 21 occurs taking into consideration  moved zodiac . so the current position of SUN is new year .

No the position of planets should be calculated as per fixed zodiac . So  correction be made .

The above problem is classically known as AYANAMSA .

As the fixed zodiac and moving zodiac meet or overlap with common start points , such a point can be taken in recent times to fix a ayanamsa . Unfortunately scores of astrological treatises exists giving various points of coincidences of Nirayana and SAYANA bhachakra .

> Classic issue of Planetary motion : old treatises give Motion of Sun around zodiac in one year ie 360 deg  revolution in 365 days 6 hours 9 min 12 seconds . The actual figures in para and apara truti [ milliseconds etc ]renders the calculation to leave a residual year after year , which English calendars add as LEAP year day .

But Classics have ordered to use practical observations to rectify such differences arising out of accumulation of residuals . Let me be more elaborate ,

If we approximate Suns revolution time for a year to second , ignoring milliseconds etc , over 1000 of years , the exact position of sun will differ by few second min and hours and over few lakh years it may go off by days even .  instead of one leap day we should perhaps add two .

So corrections are necessary to these and hence Driksiddhanta should be used is one such opinion ,. Driksiddhanta means , physical observation of Eclipses and other astronomical phenomena to verify the calculations . and subsequently rectify the planetary calculations

Based on this dictum many Beeja sanskaras  have been suggested to arrive at accurate planetary positions .

Some have resorted to NASA based data to calculate Planetary positions .

Objections :

  • Much before NASA came into existence were astrologers not calculating the planetary positions ?
  • Were these astrologers not competent ?[ as far as we know yesteryears astrologers were accurate and mystique ]
  • As there were no telescopes and  space laboratories , how come the data of these astrologers given by rishis is so much nearer to the modern day speeds of the planets .
  • So when a dispute arises out of such calculations , should we resort to age old wisdom or recent experimentation we keep ever changing in theories and data .
  • Final does the acid test of accurate eclipse moment is achieved by any of the NASA or traditional or corrected calculations ,. Answer is NO !

Let me illustrate how these affect a human horoscopes !

case 1 ! Driksiddhanta  chart of a person X  Chart A 

chartA

navamsa  chart
sat in ascendant  
moon in second house
sun venus and mer in 9th navamsa libra 
rasi  chart
sun moon mer in ascendant  
venus in second house

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Chart B with a different ayanamsa

chartB

 

chart b
navamsa position has considerably changed
sat moon in second house
sun mer venus in scorpio navamsa rendering malefic results . 

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Chart C Same data but with traditional calculations

chartC

chart c where traditional astrology is used
all the planetary position in navamsa has changed .
with moon saturn in ascendant
venus in scorpio
sun debilitated
mer in sagittarius .
Jupiter in exaltation .

 

Three astrologers with different concepts would give three different predictions ranging from good , mixed to bad results for a the same person . In some typical cases One astrologer may declare a subject to be MANGLIK and other as NON MANGLIK ! Which one is correct ! Can one believe any of them ! IS ASTROLOGY TRULY A DEFINITIVE SCIENCE ?

Confusions of BHAVA :

Astrology is combination of bhava , rashi , graha .

Here a classic confusion arises , when a person is born in LEO 10deg . Does planet in 6 deg LEO belong to first bhava or twelfth bhava . that means IS BHAVA and rashi same or different !

  • Some people take BHava and rashi as one . ie IF 10 deg Leo is asc . The LEO is first house and Virgo is second house  so on .
  • yet some people think Bhava is 30 deg each and it starts from 10 deg LEO to 10 deg Virgo . so planets in 11 deg virgo onwards form second house , if any planet in 5 deg virgo it still is in first bhava . so bhava chart varies .  So venus in virgo is debilitated but it should give result of venus in lagna debilitated or venus in second house debilitated . first one gives health hazards owing to women , second one gives financial liabilities owing to women .
  • Yet some say , as sunrise is taken as visibility of suns half disc over horizon in the east .So 10deg LEO means bhava midpoint and bhava extends from 25deg cancer to 25 deg LEO . In this case planet in 26deg cancer happens to be in first house and virgo firmly becomes second house but any planet in 26 deg virgo will go to third house . 

 

Bhava chart example

bhava A

Bhava chart A
mars has moved from 3rd house to second
from RASHI
Rahu from 12 th to 11th
venus from 2nd to asc
jupiter from 11th to 10th .

There are  entirely different predictions

Bhava chart example 2.

bhava b

 

Confusion of Divisional chart !

Parashara has given 16 divisions of rashi chart to be minutely studied to give accurate predictions .

Whether divisional charts should be viewed or only varga signs be considered .

For example when analysing jupiter in rashi chart , only its varga signs in other divisions should be considered .

Should higher divisions be considered ?

Let us assume  birth occurs at 12 : 12 pm

the chart in Rashi changes a degree every 4 minutes , with a change in degree there can be change in planetary positions in bhava chart .

A chart in trimshamsha changes every 4 minutes only lagna changes .

A shashtiamsha ascendant changes every two minutes .

View one ;

See Rashi chart , look at various divisions obtained for each of the  planet and predict .

here most of planets have fixed amsha positions except moon which changes its shashtiamsha position every 50 minutes ,and navamsha position every 6 hours .

So Karkamshas in amshas are relatively constant even if birth time is erratic and can still give good results .

View 2 : divisional charts should be seen and houses in the divisional charts must be weighed before giving predictions . But With a change in birth time by two minutes , a shashtiamsha chart will be thrown off gear with planets moving from 5th house to sixth house in the span of two minutes and thus rendering the planet useless and malefic .

How confidently can we predict in such scenario . What is the guarantee that querist [ owner of horoscope ] is giving accurate time of birth .

Parashara has given four schemes

Shadvarga [6charts ], saptavarga[7 chart ] ,dashavarga [10 chart ],shodashvarga [16 chart ]

While this is good news for people who would be put off by just 12 signs and nine planets in astrology and say how can humanity be divided into 12 parts and predict . Here are 16 charts for a human being and this combination is unique for a birth every two minutes apart .

But confusion arises as to what is the relative importance of these charts , are they weighted linearly or nonlinearly . But Parashara surprises even more .

The weighted configuration are

Varga shadvarga saptavarga dashavarga shodashvarga result
rasi 6 5 3 3.5 body
hora 2 2 1.5 1 wealth
dreshkana 4 3 1.5 1 brothers
navamsa 5 4.5 1.5 3 spouse
dwadashamsa 2 2 1.5 0.5 forefathers
trimshamsa 1 1 1.5 1 evils
saptamsa   2.5 1.5 0.5 progeny
dashamsha     1.5 0.5 glory
shodashamsa     1.5 2 pleasures
shashtiamsha     5 4 complete
vimshamsa       0.5 spirituality
siddhamsha       0.5 Education
Bhamsha       0.5 strength
turyamsha       0.5 fortunes
khavedamsha       0.5 auspiciousness
Akshavedamsha       0.5 entirety
total weights 20 20 20 20  

 

Here arises a confusion , if the scheme changes why is it that weights of the divisions changing . some say in saptavarga its actually dwadashamsa which gets 4.5weight  and not navamsa .

The problem is if  a chart A has exalted planets in navamsha , its weight will tilt a planet favourable in shadvarga scheme , but becomes unfavourable in dashavarga scheme .

So how can a planet be favorable and unfavourable at the same time . These schemes give results in dasha bhukti  periods , so if an astrologer is considering only six charts , he may declare a planet good and healthy in a dasha whereas another astrologer choosing another scheme or perhaps going into depths of 1o charts may render the same dasha as useless .

What is the secret behind the schemes ?

Does that mean deeper insight into a horoscope may give lesser results than superficial analysis . What about the predictions given only on RASHI CHART as usually all astrologers do , It will definitely go off the mark .

SO what is right 16 charts , 10 charts or seven charts , or six charts or just 1 chart ?

Confusions in aspects Drishti :

Should drishti be taken from sign or longitudes ?

if signs are absolute then signs in seventh from a planet receives full aspects , if longitudes are taken then sign in eighth from a planet may also receive full aspect , then should we consider beneficence to eighth house ? with just a chart and no minute details of longitudes an astrologer will declare the planet in 8th as dangerous for longevity but longitudinal aspect will show increase in longevity !

Oh GOD what is right ?

Is there a drishti in divisional chart ?

View 1: how can there be a aspect in divisional chart , there is only one zodiac and planets in zodiac cast aspects drishti via rays , if subdivisions chat is erected and if it is said to have aspects  , then planet in Libra in amsha , and planet in Capricorn in Aries amsha , how can they aspect , how can rays of makara reach Libra navamsha .?

View 2 : aspects are not a ray phenomenon , it is equally debatable that a planet in zodiac can see selectively 3 rd house 10 house etc , if rays are responsible then rays must reach equally at all signs . Aspects are special phenomenon and hence  can be extended to even amshas .

Karkamsha specially looks into planets in different signs and good and bad aspects also count .

View 3: only rashi drishti should be seen in amshas .

 

Confusion with IShta kashta phala !

The planet is supposed to give shubha phala as per shubha rashmi :

view 1 : shubha rashmi is calculated as  [ square root ( Uccha rashmi X chesta rashmi )]

U= uccha rashmi rays due to exaltation to debilitation

C = rays due to motional strength

S = effective rays  [ which should always be less than 8 ]

S=(U*C)1/2

View 2 :  If U is zero ie planet is in deep debilitation and retrograde 

then S = sqr root (0 * 60 ) = 0

ie the concept of NEECH BHANGA RAAJ YOGA does not exist as even if retrograde the planet in deep debilitation is still having 0 auspiciousness . This is against dictum so shubha rashmi should be average of uchha and chesta rashmi .

S= (U + C )/2

But this formula does not ensure the upper limit of eight for S .

Confusion confusion .

View 3 : why do we require ishta kashta ,? What are strenghths ?

Why should we use shadbala when Vimsopaka is there ? when analysing strength of planet should we use shadbala or just vargottama and benefic aspects in navamsa and rashi is enough ? does planet in debiliatation with good shadbala give more miseries or gives happiness ? A malefic with strength does it trouble more or gives good results ? A malefic aspected by benefic of lesser shadbala will it overcome bad result or add to bad result ?

When shadbala calculations itself takes care of aspects and associations of malefic benefics why additionally ishta kashta phala be multiplied in case of aspect of malefic and or benefic ? is it not repetitive exercise ?

confusion confusion

Confusions in Ashtakavarga

Should we include Lagna in sarvashtakavarga ?

Should total be taken from longitudes of planets or bhava of rashi ?

whether prastara ashtakvarga is contribution of benefic on rashi or benefic from rashi ?

Is Gochara important or ashtakvarga ? why sade sati to my friend is not a s severe as mine though we both are same RASHI ?

Will one get same results every 12 hours , 12 minutes  12 monthss and 12 years according to sudarshan dasa ?

Lastly the mother of all confusions !

Which dasha should be used and what is the definition of year .

Some say Vimshottari is best , some say kalachakra dasha is best .

But varahamihira never mentioned about vimshottari he used pinda dasha . Pinda dasha makes sense as it is individualistic to horoscope . and results are due to ashtakvarga which is again chart specific .

Do all the planets in divisional chart give results in dasha or antardasha ?

Whether all dashas have to be applied ? how can I know I am getting miseries owing VIMSHOTTARI or  Pinda or kalachakra ?

Finally what is my dasha as of now ?

If the solar year is taken i am running  MARS dasha

But if Lunar year is taken I am in Moon dasha saturn bhukti

Should I take 360 days dasha . then it is MOON dasha Mercury bhukti.

Okay let me rectify by the data , yes My son was born in xxxx date , with solar year it is moon jupiter bhukti ****** yes birth of son can happen in jupiter bhukti as jupiter is karaka for children ******************* yes solar year is correct !!!!!! WAIT A MINUTE

With lunar year  it comes to MOON SATURN  BHUKTI and PARASHARA says saturn bhukti gives birth of a son **********************

Oh God which is correct ?

As far as I know i was born on 15 oct , should I say my year begins and ends with 15 oct .

But we usually see in shastras birthdays of saints as on panchami navami , krishna astami is done on rohini nakshatra in shravan , so i should use 360 thithis as one year .

But then My birthday is never on 15 oct every year it changes every year .

So how can i say i am so much year old >

with 354 days a years , in 50 years I am off  [ 365 –354 ] * 50 = 550 days , WHEW that is two years behind , means , i may say 50 but i am actually  48 .

so my dasha is off mark .

finally a difference of  5 minutes in birth time will cause

moon traverses a 3 min arc in 5 minutes .

200arc minutes = 5 years maximum in venus dasha .

180 months / 200 = 9* 3 = 27 days .

so a difference of 5 minutes in recording birth time will give dasha difference of +- 27 days

An astrologer should safely say that two months margin of error remains in timing of the events  But he can never be accurate when all these confusions prevail in his mind . Ye MAN one can never be sure what is correct and what is not ? Its all intuition u see ! No scientific base ! Can you definitely say this result occurred due to jupiter in rashi in ninth house , or venus in tenth in dashamsa or perhaps , a exalted mars in chaturthamsa gave this result and why do you worry I said so it happened , See This astrologer can never fail ?

GOD KNOWS WHAT IS ASTROLOGY ??????????????

note : Readers would You go to any astrologer after reading this !!!!!!!!!

AS all the sciences , KALI has not left even VEDANGA to be tarnished ! Madhvacharya resurrected tattvavada from the Confusions of MANIMAAN adi daityas ! He gave precise hints in yati pranav kalpa , jayanti nirnaya and KRSIHNAMRUTA MAHARANAV  to lead us a steadfast Astrology !!!!1

 

Krishnarpanamastu

Comments on: "AstroConfusions !" (11)

  1. Pranaams acharya,

    Where can we learn true DrikGanita , as you mentioned that jhora does not use traditional drik calculations, somewhere on this blog.! BPHS Chap 3.7 mentions that all planet positions be taken as per drik ganit. Whereas we take all sankramana as per SSS.

    How should one reconcile the differences in such cases ?

    Kindly guide.

    Regards
    K

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  2. Respected Acharya,

    By any chance would you have SuryaSiddanta calendar for 2009 that includes the details on Solar eclipse. http://www.uttaradimath.org/ has for 2010-11 but cannot get one for 2009. There are various confusions with regards to eclipse times and I think SSS can clear the actual time.

    Regards
    K

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  3. Hi Chiraan ji,
    That is an excellent article! Well written. 🙂
    I have taken the liberty to post it in our yahoo group at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ancient_indian_astrology/ giving the link/reference to this source.
    Love and regards,
    Sreenadh

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  4. Pramod said:

    Acharya Namaskars,

    Very nice post, conveying the truth in astrology and with holding madhva siddhant in high esteem in this materialistic era.
    We request you to be kind enough to elobrate the hints given by
    Sri Acharya in his granths for the benefit of Satviks.

    Thanks
    Pramod.

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  5. Astrology is a far more profund science.

    NASA and all other establishments/institutions came to know about the colors of planets just 200-300 years ago, whereas Our vedas mentioned in astrology texts many yugas before…(for example blue is for saturn, Red is for Mars, yellow is for Guru…this small example shows that our rishis were far more effective in seeing planets than these ‘powerful’ telescopes…

    -Thanks

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  6. Respected Acharya,

    I have a humble suggestion here, if this sounds appropriate to be implemented. Can you please have a seperate page (public or private) where you can give astro queries for regulars to this blog, who are willing to learn astrology from you. You may post one question with a problem with details of an anonymous native and then give us a time like 2-3 days to resolve and explain the analysis and the remedies, that the native should undertake.

    This will help all of us clear some astrological doubts on a practical way and we can all learn from you.

    Kindly share your thoughts on this.

    Regards
    Kamal

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  7. Astroconfusions…

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  8. Dear Chiraanji
    Oh God and Thank God for you.
    Regards
    S

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