Hitherto Unknown Secrets !

The following is jut an application of what I had learnt from my father ! Infact the very astrology samhita was composed by Sage Lomash , when sumati came to him asking for the knowledge of Astrology .

Sage sumati was summoned by the KING who had two children born as twins with similar charts in all vargas and yet one was fair and well mannered and like by the subjects , the other one was dark , ill faced and evil by nature . Sage sumati said he had not learnt astrology so was unable to predict or give reason for the diversity in twins . King highly dissapointed insulted Sumati in anguish . Sumati went into forests and deep in Himalayas he found sage LOMASH and started his lessons .

A very interesting research has been done By SHRI RAYUDU on the birth of twins .

Quote SHRI RAYUDU ”

In my recent visit to USA to give lectures there in the conferences of the American Federation of Astrologers and Arsha Vidya Gurukulam, on their invitation, I found in the World Almanac that for every 3 seconds 9 births and 6 deaths take place (the scholars can think wherefrom the other 3 births, 9 births minus 6 deaths, are coming from). In India alone, I think that for every second a birth takes place. What happens to an astrologer if such 3 charts with a time difference of 1 second are given at one time for analysis? Generally, many of the astrologers are lucky enough not to get into such a mess and hence they survive with their various gimmicks.

Therefore, it is very essential to know the background of the native regarding the details about grand parents, parents, brothers sisters, education, marriage, husband/wife, children, profession etc to verify the past events, before proceeding to give other future predictions. How to verify the past events and rectify the time of birth (including the male/female birth) is still a riddle, in view of the differences in the Ayanamsha by different stalwarts.

I do not propose to claim that I know these tricks and I am still struggling to understand these intricacies, in spite of my study of this for the last three decades, maintaining the birth data and life pattern events of the known individuals. I humbly request that all astrologers should record the past events of their clients with birth data and discuss amongst themselves with an open and research mind so that some concrete conclusions and rules may come out to read a chart as per the present modern times.

However, for the sake of those who are interested in deep research, I give herewith three typical charts of twins with their birth data and some known past events with birth time difference of 2 to 3 minutes. I myself could not analyze them satisfactorily and I am keen if someone can analyze them to suit the past events and give future predictions. I find similarity of sounds in the names of twins. It is essential to give degrees of planets and lagna whenever a chart is quoted along with the Vimsottari Dasas. ” UNQUOTE

Shri RAYUDU also elsewhere notes that

” . If the birth time difference is of a minimum of 2 to 3 minutes, the lagna of Shashtiamsa 7 3 chart( 1/60 divisional chart) only will be effected and all the analysis of other charts regarding marriage, children, profession etc will be the same. In such a case, how to distinguish the differences of the life patterns of the twins is really a riddle. If there is birth of two persons to different parents in different places or on same place with a difference of 2 to 3 minutes in birth time, then to analyze the life patterns is still a problem. Some astrologers correctly pointed out that we do not have the sufficient knowledge of how to use the 16 divisional charts given by Maharishi Parasara”

Shri RAYUDU goes on to give example charts of twins and their lives .

One such example Shri RAYUDU gives is ….

CASE I:

Two twin females,

Date of birth

25 November 1967,

Time of birth 10. 20 pm and 10. 23 pm,

Place of birth Longitude 78. 27 East, 17. 26 North.

  • One elder brother;
  • 2 sisters younger/elder not known;
  • nonbrahmin;
  • father retired municipal commissioner; mother house-wife.
  • Elder twin BSc degree, chest trouble,
  • marriage 1989,

husband conservative mind

electron  ics engineer worked as lecturer left lecturer job in 1993 started joint business,

  • female child born in 1993,
  • native continuing her beauty clinic in India;
  • Younger twin
    • B. Com open university,
    • marriage 1994,
    • went abroad 1995,
    • husband open minded doctor doing MD in USA went abroad Jun 1994,
    • she did courses in beauty clinic in USA. (Data as on 30 April 1996).

The charts are as follows:

Elder /younger twin: Lagna Cancer 14. 58. 48/15. 59. 34; Leo Jupiter 11. 19. 05/11. 19. 05, Moon 17. 56. 32/17. 58. 15; Virgo Venus 23. 31. 31/23. 31. 39

Libra Ketu 4. 01. 51/4. 01. 52, Mercury 21. 54. 30/21. 54. 41; Scorpio Sun 9. 20. 16/9. 20. 34; Capricorn Mars 1. 53. 10/1. 53. 16; Pisces Saturn retrograde 12. 24. 48/12. 24. 48; Aries Rahu 4. 01. 51/4. 51. 02. Ayanamsha 23. 24. 22.

Dasa periods are Moon-Venus-Mercury for elder from 26 Feb 1996 to 21 May 1996 and for the younger from 11 Feb 1996 to 6 May 1996.

Navamsha chart same for both: Lagna Scorpio Ketu in lagna; Mars in Capricorn; Mercury in Aries; Rahu in Taurus; Jupiter in Cancer; Venus in Leo; Sun Moon in Virgo; Saturn in Libra.

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ANALYSIS BY CHIRAAN

The above charts are given by SHRI RAYUDU as per his calculations . MOSTLY drigganitha and lahiri paksha ayanamsha . We see that there is no change in position of planets for a considerable part of the DAY with drigganita . Applying SURYA SIDDHANTA we see a different chart , yet all the charts upto SHASHTIAMSHA are same .

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We can see that there is no difference in any charts with surysiddhanta as well except for positions of planets in NAVAMSHA and SHASTIAMSHA[ difference is wrt ayanamsha but not charts of twins ] ,in both systems still they are same for both twins .

So what could be the reason for the difference in lives of the twins .

LET us see what are the areas in which two differ .

  • Difference in area of education one BSC and other BCOM
  • Difference in marriage times one at age 22 and other at 27 late
  • Different background of Husband , one engineer and other doctor
  • Abroad residence . One remained in INDIA at the same time though dasha are same .
  • Both same profession of beautician .

These are serious differences which cannot be ignored when both the horoscopes are similar upto the point of Shashtyamsha . Even though Shashtiamsha lagna is different , a different lifestyle cannot be attributed to shashtiamsha lagna .

Because most of the astro-discussions by sages only give analysis through rashi chart only , never is there any reference found to shashtiamsha chart or any divisonal chart while giving a major prediction on a chart . SO how did the twins vary in different course of LIFE ?

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LET me divert attention for a moment towards the time of birth , even in speciality hospitals the clock in operation theatres of a labour ward are not well tuned . When my daughter was born I made it a point to tune my laptop to continually update and sync with Internet standard time [ atomic clock]

It was Ganesh chaturthi and after evening prayers and welcoming LORD GANESH to my house with mantap aasan arghya padya snana dhoop deepa naivedya , at 12.30 my wife complained of severe pain , I immediately alerted our regular Doctor and she immediately called her hospital the best in CITY with one of the most advanced care and world renowned [ why I am reiterating these adjectives is to emphasize the state of clock ]

At 12 .50 we reached hospital and unbelievably my daughter was born at 1.06 with synchronous accurate time , yet hospital clock showed 1.10 . The expertise of doctor was high as birth happened so quickly .

A difference of 4 minutes even with a superspeciality hospital in one of the most internet savvy cities of world .

Secondly a year later when my son was to be born I decided not to take any chances this time and admitted my wife well a day before as my intuition said there would be a birth today .

It was same hospital , Doctor with previous experience of quick birth , decided to keep her in labour room only instead of suit . The whole day passed by , by evening a meeting sprang up , it was a secretary of some mantri along with a team of NRIs ,who wanted an urgent audience , so I decided to go and meet ,

While the meeting was still going on at TAJ , an urgent message from my doctor , really unsettled me . But the meeting did not get over for next three hours . My nervousness grew even more as the lagna with rahu and mars was nearing . I apologized and took leave and rushed directly to the hospital .

My doctor showed there were some zero pulses observed at regular intervals from ultrasound output , I said why not check the transducer may be some lose contact may be causing the drop in pulse .

DOCTOR obliged , and replaced the machine and yet there were zero pulsing . The reason was a suspected wrapping of umbilical chord around the neck which might be restricting the child from finding its way out and any attempt was choking its neck causing drop in the pulse .

So DOCTOR wanted permission to go for c section . She was really very sad as previous two births were normal and smooth and this third one she had to operate . [ she was also afraid that people would blame her ] . The condition was indeed serious , so without consulting elders and also my wife , I said we shall go for C section .

She was relieved , and quickly hurried towards the theatre . For next few moments I was reciting VENKATESH stotra ,

The operation was readied but in hurry I had forgotten to fine tune my watch with that of doctor . Now I told a attendant novice surgeon [ intern ] to tune his watch to mine and go inside . He obliged . When he came back . He gave me the most pleasant news of birth of a son . 11.59pm as per accurate time . 12.02am as per doctor and 12.05 am as per records .

AGAIN a difference of time of 3 minutes in a most advanced hospitals as well .

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Being an astrologer and penchant for accuracy if I could encounter this differences of 3 – 5min , then ordinary people would definitely have their birth time defective for sure 99% of times .

The above birth is in 1967 where internet was unknown and people relied upon watched which might have been tuned to ALL INDIA RADIO as television era had also not started . So timing going off ten twelve minutes should not be a surprise .

This I am emphasizing to justify the birth time rectification .

Now if we go back twelve minutes . Now we can safely assume that two twins have born with a time difference of three minutes ,

At 10 . 08 .45 pm if we take as first 10 . 11 45 pm

To be precise , birth before 10 hours 9 minutes and after 10 hours 9 minutes .

Which can be a possibility as the difference is only a ten – twelve minutes , and can occur if doctors have not tuned their watches to radio time for quiet sometime , watches do get delayed . Or In that era there was a habit of advancing watch by few minutes by office goers ,

Now assuming that birth occurred before and after 10 – 9 minutes

Let us see the planetary positions .

Elder TWIN CHART RASHI -D60 [ mark position of SUN in Aries Shashtyamsha ]

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Screen clipping taken: 4/27/2011 3:29 PM

YOUNGER TWIN CHART RASHI-D60 [ mark Sun in TAURUS in D60 ]

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Screen clipping taken: 4/27/2011 3:33 PM

CAN there be difference of life altogether by a change of position in one planet in D60 , definitely not a considerable change . So what makes these difference manifest : A slight inspection of longitude of SUN will lay bare all the keys to the drastic changes a chart can exhibit even though charts are same .

Longitude of SUN in elder twin mark the view in below table painted yellow

It is 8 degrees scorpio 59 min .

After 10 pm 9 minutes this degrees changes to 9 degrees in scorpio which is what is highlighted in table for Younger twin

What happens by this transition :

If we inspect saturns logitude it is 9 degrees pisces 42

Just as sun enters 9 degrees , it gives rise to a exception by PARASHARA in seven karaka scheme

What does that say : when degrees of the two planets became same , then rahu is included in the seven karaka scheme

So for elder twin ATMA KARAKA is VENUS

And For Younger twin ATMA karaka is RAHU .

There is also change in bhava hora and ghatika lagna navamshas navamshas .

Note the following differences in the chart

  1. AK is different for both charts
  2. the PK putra karaka is different for both the charts .
  3. As charaputra karaka is different so is its Upapada
  4. Lagna in Shashtiamsha ,khavedamsha , akshavedamsha charts are different
  5. Darakaraka [ palnet governing husband ] is associated with sun in shastyamsha in one chart .

ELDER TWIN

 

Body

  NATAL Longitude

  Nakshatra

Pada

Rasi

Navamsa

 

Lagna

12 Cn 20′ 07.48″

Push

   3

  Cn

Li

Sun – GK            

8 Sc 59′ 59.95″

Anu

2

Sc

Vi

Moon – BK

20 Le 13′ 17.94″

PPha

   3

Le

   Li

Mars – DK

2 Cp 06′ 58.30″

USha

2

Cp

  Cp

Mercury – AmK

     22 Li 00′ 44.39″

Visa

1

  Li

Ar

Jupiter – MK

  12 Le 52′ 38.01″

Magh

4

Le

  Cn

Venus – AK       

  23 Vi 57′ 21.71″

Chit

1

Vi

Le

Saturn (R) – PK    

9 Pi 42′ 18.30″

UBha

   2

   Pi

   Vi

Rahu

4 Ar 46′ 51.69″

Aswi

   2

  Ar

  Ta

Ketu

4 Li 46′ 51.69″

Chit

4

   Li

Sc

Bhava Lagna      

   2 Cn 59′ 21.18″

 Puna   

  4 

  Cn

   Cn

Hora Lagna        

27 Aq 38′ 24.03″

PBha  

   3

   Aq

   Ge

Ghati Lagna       

11 Aq 35′ 32.58″

Sata     

  Aq

   Cp

Vighati Lagna     

21 Sc 21′ 15.36″

Jye     

2   

Sc

  Cp

Varnada Lagna   

   12 Aq 20′ 07.48″

Sata   

  2  

Aq

  Cp

Sree Lagna         

18 Cp 19′ 11.81″

Srav    

3  

Cp 

Ge

Younger one

Body

NATAL Longitude

Nakshatra

Pada

Rasi

Navamsa

 

Lagna

13 Cn 09′ 29.52″

Push

3

Cn

Li

Sun                 

9 Sc 00′ 09.25″

Anu

2

  Sc

Vi

Moon – PiK

  20 Le 15′ 24.94″

PPha

3

  Le

   Li

Mars – DK

  2 Cp 07′ 05.29″

USha

2

Cp

Cp

Mercury – BK

22 Li 00′ 57.00″

Visa

1

  Li

Ar

Jupiter – PK      

12 Le 52′ 38.80″

Magh

   4

Le

  Cn

Venus – AmK

     23 Vi 57′ 31.92″

Chit

1

     Vi

Le

Saturn (R) – GK

  9 Pi 42′ 18.09″

UBha

2

Pi

  Vi

Rahu – AK           

4 Ar 46′ 51.20″

Aswi

2

Ar

Ta

Ketu

4 Li 46′ 51.20″

Chit

4

   Li

   Sc

Bhava Lagna

3 Cn 54′ 21.18″

Push

1

Cn

Le

Hora Lagna

29 Aq 28′ 24.03″

 PBha

   3

Aq

Ge

Ghati Lagna

16 Aq 10′ 32.59″

Sata

3

Aq

Aq

Varnada Lagna

13 Aq 09′ 29.52″

Sata

2

Aq

   Cp

Sree Lagna

20 Cp 05′ 43.01″

Srav

   4

Cp

   Cn

 

Now let us understand how each of the factors has affected

ATMAkaraka is venus for elder twin , its seventh house saturn

Putrkaraka saturn its graharudha is scorpio . There SUN in upapada is benefic as it is in mitra kshetra .

Thus upapada is well placed as lord of upapada is exalted too . Causing marriage at right time .

For the younger twin , upapada is grahaarudha of jupiter is Aries , upapada is conjunct RAHU aspected by mars and mercury [afflicted ] three malefic affliction , which shows delay in marriage .

Affliction to upapada is cause for delay of marriage . This is evident in RASHI CHART itself of twins .

Mars in shastyamsha is DK [ dara karak ie planet governing husband  is same for both twins , but one is associated with sun and other not associated with sun .sun governs GOVT and Medical fields . ]

second from it is mercury [ for both ] showing good education of husbands .

Profession is known by atmakaraka or 10th from it .

Rahu in karkamsha gives a person indulging in LOHAYANTRAKRUT [ engineering ] …. Seventh from lagna in shastyamsha  of elder twin has RAHU as jupiter is aspecting gives auspicious results .[ usually just rahu gives losses and person adheres to malpractises ]

Seventh from Lagna in younger one is pisces [ d 60 ] 10th from this has moon aspected by mercury

Budh drishte vidhao sadvaidyah …… so says parashara .

Sadvaidyah means a good doctor .

Thus elder one married Engineer and younger married a doctor .

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why residence in foriegn for one ?

Twelfth from Atmakarak in elder one has jupiter moon and lord sun is free from malefic effects showing residence in own country , however 12th jupiter has mars aspect may give foreign travels later in life .

In shashtiamsha 12th lord and 12 house is free from malefic s .

BOth charts D60 and rashi of elder twin  have benefic  influences only .

whereas in younger twin …..

Twelfth from Rahu [ in rashi ]  has saturn and its lord jupiter also has mars aspect , indicating residence in foriegn country  ,as shashtiamsha has 12 th and 12 lord both heavily afflicted .

Now for marriage timing

Elder one married in moon dasha mercury antar in venus

In navamsha seventh house has mercury aspected by moon .

NOW why did second twin not marry in this dasha .

When we look at kala dasha

Saturn dasha is operating , saturn is papargala for upapada of younger one and shubhargala for elder one ie saturns aids marriage for elder and stopped marriage for younger one .

Both of them married in kalachakra dasha of pisces ie saptamadhipati  saturn and younger one married in MARS dasha a planet in seventh house .

Both of them married in chakra dasha of virgo where venus is posited , and antardasha of their respective upapada rashi .

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krishnarpanamastu

Note : Astrology is a definitive science , and it offers wide range of analysis to  a person , if only everyone strives hard to get exact time of birth of their new borns , one can delineate all the events accurately .

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Comments on: "Astrology of twins -a study !" (27)

  1. Amit Vaze said:

    Hi Chiraan,

    It was a very informative blog
    My question is how chara karaka are determined if there are 2 sets of planets with same degrees (as in my chart) e.g. planet a & b in ‘x’ degrees and c & d in ‘y’ degrees. How will the Parashara rules work as we will have to omit 2 planets?

    Amit

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