Hitherto Unknown Secrets !

The following is jut an application of what I had learnt from my father ! Infact the very astrology samhita was composed by Sage Lomash , when sumati came to him asking for the knowledge of Astrology .

Sage sumati was summoned by the KING who had two children born as twins with similar charts in all vargas and yet one was fair and well mannered and like by the subjects , the other one was dark , ill faced and evil by nature . Sage sumati said he had not learnt astrology so was unable to predict or give reason for the diversity in twins . King highly dissapointed insulted Sumati in anguish . Sumati went into forests and deep in Himalayas he found sage LOMASH and started his lessons .

A very interesting research has been done By SHRI RAYUDU on the birth of twins .

Quote SHRI RAYUDU ”

In my recent visit to USA to give lectures there in the conferences of the American Federation of Astrologers and Arsha Vidya Gurukulam, on their invitation, I found in the World Almanac that for every 3 seconds 9 births and 6 deaths take place (the scholars can think wherefrom the other 3 births, 9 births minus 6 deaths, are coming from). In India alone, I think that for every second a birth takes place. What happens to an astrologer if such 3 charts with a time difference of 1 second are given at one time for analysis? Generally, many of the astrologers are lucky enough not to get into such a mess and hence they survive with their various gimmicks.

Therefore, it is very essential to know the background of the native regarding the details about grand parents, parents, brothers sisters, education, marriage, husband/wife, children, profession etc to verify the past events, before proceeding to give other future predictions. How to verify the past events and rectify the time of birth (including the male/female birth) is still a riddle, in view of the differences in the Ayanamsha by different stalwarts.

I do not propose to claim that I know these tricks and I am still struggling to understand these intricacies, in spite of my study of this for the last three decades, maintaining the birth data and life pattern events of the known individuals. I humbly request that all astrologers should record the past events of their clients with birth data and discuss amongst themselves with an open and research mind so that some concrete conclusions and rules may come out to read a chart as per the present modern times.

However, for the sake of those who are interested in deep research, I give herewith three typical charts of twins with their birth data and some known past events with birth time difference of 2 to 3 minutes. I myself could not analyze them satisfactorily and I am keen if someone can analyze them to suit the past events and give future predictions. I find similarity of sounds in the names of twins. It is essential to give degrees of planets and lagna whenever a chart is quoted along with the Vimsottari Dasas. ” UNQUOTE

Shri RAYUDU also elsewhere notes that

” . If the birth time difference is of a minimum of 2 to 3 minutes, the lagna of Shashtiamsa 7 3 chart( 1/60 divisional chart) only will be effected and all the analysis of other charts regarding marriage, children, profession etc will be the same. In such a case, how to distinguish the differences of the life patterns of the twins is really a riddle. If there is birth of two persons to different parents in different places or on same place with a difference of 2 to 3 minutes in birth time, then to analyze the life patterns is still a problem. Some astrologers correctly pointed out that we do not have the sufficient knowledge of how to use the 16 divisional charts given by Maharishi Parasara”

Shri RAYUDU goes on to give example charts of twins and their lives .

One such example Shri RAYUDU gives is ….

CASE I:

Two twin females,

Date of birth

25 November 1967,

Time of birth 10. 20 pm and 10. 23 pm,

Place of birth Longitude 78. 27 East, 17. 26 North.

  • One elder brother;
  • 2 sisters younger/elder not known;
  • nonbrahmin;
  • father retired municipal commissioner; mother house-wife.
  • Elder twin BSc degree, chest trouble,
  • marriage 1989,

husband conservative mind

electron  ics engineer worked as lecturer left lecturer job in 1993 started joint business,

  • female child born in 1993,
  • native continuing her beauty clinic in India;
  • Younger twin
    • B. Com open university,
    • marriage 1994,
    • went abroad 1995,
    • husband open minded doctor doing MD in USA went abroad Jun 1994,
    • she did courses in beauty clinic in USA. (Data as on 30 April 1996).

The charts are as follows:

Elder /younger twin: Lagna Cancer 14. 58. 48/15. 59. 34; Leo Jupiter 11. 19. 05/11. 19. 05, Moon 17. 56. 32/17. 58. 15; Virgo Venus 23. 31. 31/23. 31. 39

Libra Ketu 4. 01. 51/4. 01. 52, Mercury 21. 54. 30/21. 54. 41; Scorpio Sun 9. 20. 16/9. 20. 34; Capricorn Mars 1. 53. 10/1. 53. 16; Pisces Saturn retrograde 12. 24. 48/12. 24. 48; Aries Rahu 4. 01. 51/4. 51. 02. Ayanamsha 23. 24. 22.

Dasa periods are Moon-Venus-Mercury for elder from 26 Feb 1996 to 21 May 1996 and for the younger from 11 Feb 1996 to 6 May 1996.

Navamsha chart same for both: Lagna Scorpio Ketu in lagna; Mars in Capricorn; Mercury in Aries; Rahu in Taurus; Jupiter in Cancer; Venus in Leo; Sun Moon in Virgo; Saturn in Libra.

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ANALYSIS BY CHIRAAN

The above charts are given by SHRI RAYUDU as per his calculations . MOSTLY drigganitha and lahiri paksha ayanamsha . We see that there is no change in position of planets for a considerable part of the DAY with drigganita . Applying SURYA SIDDHANTA we see a different chart , yet all the charts upto SHASHTIAMSHA are same .

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We can see that there is no difference in any charts with surysiddhanta as well except for positions of planets in NAVAMSHA and SHASTIAMSHA[ difference is wrt ayanamsha but not charts of twins ] ,in both systems still they are same for both twins .

So what could be the reason for the difference in lives of the twins .

LET us see what are the areas in which two differ .

  • Difference in area of education one BSC and other BCOM
  • Difference in marriage times one at age 22 and other at 27 late
  • Different background of Husband , one engineer and other doctor
  • Abroad residence . One remained in INDIA at the same time though dasha are same .
  • Both same profession of beautician .

These are serious differences which cannot be ignored when both the horoscopes are similar upto the point of Shashtyamsha . Even though Shashtiamsha lagna is different , a different lifestyle cannot be attributed to shashtiamsha lagna .

Because most of the astro-discussions by sages only give analysis through rashi chart only , never is there any reference found to shashtiamsha chart or any divisonal chart while giving a major prediction on a chart . SO how did the twins vary in different course of LIFE ?

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LET me divert attention for a moment towards the time of birth , even in speciality hospitals the clock in operation theatres of a labour ward are not well tuned . When my daughter was born I made it a point to tune my laptop to continually update and sync with Internet standard time [ atomic clock]

It was Ganesh chaturthi and after evening prayers and welcoming LORD GANESH to my house with mantap aasan arghya padya snana dhoop deepa naivedya , at 12.30 my wife complained of severe pain , I immediately alerted our regular Doctor and she immediately called her hospital the best in CITY with one of the most advanced care and world renowned [ why I am reiterating these adjectives is to emphasize the state of clock ]

At 12 .50 we reached hospital and unbelievably my daughter was born at 1.06 with synchronous accurate time , yet hospital clock showed 1.10 . The expertise of doctor was high as birth happened so quickly .

A difference of 4 minutes even with a superspeciality hospital in one of the most internet savvy cities of world .

Secondly a year later when my son was to be born I decided not to take any chances this time and admitted my wife well a day before as my intuition said there would be a birth today .

It was same hospital , Doctor with previous experience of quick birth , decided to keep her in labour room only instead of suit . The whole day passed by , by evening a meeting sprang up , it was a secretary of some mantri along with a team of NRIs ,who wanted an urgent audience , so I decided to go and meet ,

While the meeting was still going on at TAJ , an urgent message from my doctor , really unsettled me . But the meeting did not get over for next three hours . My nervousness grew even more as the lagna with rahu and mars was nearing . I apologized and took leave and rushed directly to the hospital .

My doctor showed there were some zero pulses observed at regular intervals from ultrasound output , I said why not check the transducer may be some lose contact may be causing the drop in pulse .

DOCTOR obliged , and replaced the machine and yet there were zero pulsing . The reason was a suspected wrapping of umbilical chord around the neck which might be restricting the child from finding its way out and any attempt was choking its neck causing drop in the pulse .

So DOCTOR wanted permission to go for c section . She was really very sad as previous two births were normal and smooth and this third one she had to operate . [ she was also afraid that people would blame her ] . The condition was indeed serious , so without consulting elders and also my wife , I said we shall go for C section .

She was relieved , and quickly hurried towards the theatre . For next few moments I was reciting VENKATESH stotra ,

The operation was readied but in hurry I had forgotten to fine tune my watch with that of doctor . Now I told a attendant novice surgeon [ intern ] to tune his watch to mine and go inside . He obliged . When he came back . He gave me the most pleasant news of birth of a son . 11.59pm as per accurate time . 12.02am as per doctor and 12.05 am as per records .

AGAIN a difference of time of 3 minutes in a most advanced hospitals as well .

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Being an astrologer and penchant for accuracy if I could encounter this differences of 3 – 5min , then ordinary people would definitely have their birth time defective for sure 99% of times .

The above birth is in 1967 where internet was unknown and people relied upon watched which might have been tuned to ALL INDIA RADIO as television era had also not started . So timing going off ten twelve minutes should not be a surprise .

This I am emphasizing to justify the birth time rectification .

Now if we go back twelve minutes . Now we can safely assume that two twins have born with a time difference of three minutes ,

At 10 . 08 .45 pm if we take as first 10 . 11 45 pm

To be precise , birth before 10 hours 9 minutes and after 10 hours 9 minutes .

Which can be a possibility as the difference is only a ten – twelve minutes , and can occur if doctors have not tuned their watches to radio time for quiet sometime , watches do get delayed . Or In that era there was a habit of advancing watch by few minutes by office goers ,

Now assuming that birth occurred before and after 10 – 9 minutes

Let us see the planetary positions .

Elder TWIN CHART RASHI -D60 [ mark position of SUN in Aries Shashtyamsha ]

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Screen clipping taken: 4/27/2011 3:29 PM

YOUNGER TWIN CHART RASHI-D60 [ mark Sun in TAURUS in D60 ]

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Screen clipping taken: 4/27/2011 3:33 PM

CAN there be difference of life altogether by a change of position in one planet in D60 , definitely not a considerable change . So what makes these difference manifest : A slight inspection of longitude of SUN will lay bare all the keys to the drastic changes a chart can exhibit even though charts are same .

Longitude of SUN in elder twin mark the view in below table painted yellow

It is 8 degrees scorpio 59 min .

After 10 pm 9 minutes this degrees changes to 9 degrees in scorpio which is what is highlighted in table for Younger twin

What happens by this transition :

If we inspect saturns logitude it is 9 degrees pisces 42

Just as sun enters 9 degrees , it gives rise to a exception by PARASHARA in seven karaka scheme

What does that say : when degrees of the two planets became same , then rahu is included in the seven karaka scheme

So for elder twin ATMA KARAKA is VENUS

And For Younger twin ATMA karaka is RAHU .

There is also change in bhava hora and ghatika lagna navamshas navamshas .

Note the following differences in the chart

  1. AK is different for both charts
  2. the PK putra karaka is different for both the charts .
  3. As charaputra karaka is different so is its Upapada
  4. Lagna in Shashtiamsha ,khavedamsha , akshavedamsha charts are different
  5. Darakaraka [ palnet governing husband ] is associated with sun in shastyamsha in one chart .

ELDER TWIN

 

Body

  NATAL Longitude

  Nakshatra

Pada

Rasi

Navamsa

 

Lagna

12 Cn 20′ 07.48″

Push

   3

  Cn

Li

Sun – GK            

8 Sc 59′ 59.95″

Anu

2

Sc

Vi

Moon – BK

20 Le 13′ 17.94″

PPha

   3

Le

   Li

Mars – DK

2 Cp 06′ 58.30″

USha

2

Cp

  Cp

Mercury – AmK

     22 Li 00′ 44.39″

Visa

1

  Li

Ar

Jupiter – MK

  12 Le 52′ 38.01″

Magh

4

Le

  Cn

Venus – AK       

  23 Vi 57′ 21.71″

Chit

1

Vi

Le

Saturn (R) – PK    

9 Pi 42′ 18.30″

UBha

   2

   Pi

   Vi

Rahu

4 Ar 46′ 51.69″

Aswi

   2

  Ar

  Ta

Ketu

4 Li 46′ 51.69″

Chit

4

   Li

Sc

Bhava Lagna      

   2 Cn 59′ 21.18″

 Puna   

  4 

  Cn

   Cn

Hora Lagna        

27 Aq 38′ 24.03″

PBha  

   3

   Aq

   Ge

Ghati Lagna       

11 Aq 35′ 32.58″

Sata     

  Aq

   Cp

Vighati Lagna     

21 Sc 21′ 15.36″

Jye     

2   

Sc

  Cp

Varnada Lagna   

   12 Aq 20′ 07.48″

Sata   

  2  

Aq

  Cp

Sree Lagna         

18 Cp 19′ 11.81″

Srav    

3  

Cp 

Ge

Younger one

Body

NATAL Longitude

Nakshatra

Pada

Rasi

Navamsa

 

Lagna

13 Cn 09′ 29.52″

Push

3

Cn

Li

Sun                 

9 Sc 00′ 09.25″

Anu

2

  Sc

Vi

Moon – PiK

  20 Le 15′ 24.94″

PPha

3

  Le

   Li

Mars – DK

  2 Cp 07′ 05.29″

USha

2

Cp

Cp

Mercury – BK

22 Li 00′ 57.00″

Visa

1

  Li

Ar

Jupiter – PK      

12 Le 52′ 38.80″

Magh

   4

Le

  Cn

Venus – AmK

     23 Vi 57′ 31.92″

Chit

1

     Vi

Le

Saturn (R) – GK

  9 Pi 42′ 18.09″

UBha

2

Pi

  Vi

Rahu – AK           

4 Ar 46′ 51.20″

Aswi

2

Ar

Ta

Ketu

4 Li 46′ 51.20″

Chit

4

   Li

   Sc

Bhava Lagna

3 Cn 54′ 21.18″

Push

1

Cn

Le

Hora Lagna

29 Aq 28′ 24.03″

 PBha

   3

Aq

Ge

Ghati Lagna

16 Aq 10′ 32.59″

Sata

3

Aq

Aq

Varnada Lagna

13 Aq 09′ 29.52″

Sata

2

Aq

   Cp

Sree Lagna

20 Cp 05′ 43.01″

Srav

   4

Cp

   Cn

 

Now let us understand how each of the factors has affected

ATMAkaraka is venus for elder twin , its seventh house saturn

Putrkaraka saturn its graharudha is scorpio . There SUN in upapada is benefic as it is in mitra kshetra .

Thus upapada is well placed as lord of upapada is exalted too . Causing marriage at right time .

For the younger twin , upapada is grahaarudha of jupiter is Aries , upapada is conjunct RAHU aspected by mars and mercury [afflicted ] three malefic affliction , which shows delay in marriage .

Affliction to upapada is cause for delay of marriage . This is evident in RASHI CHART itself of twins .

Mars in shastyamsha is DK [ dara karak ie planet governing husband  is same for both twins , but one is associated with sun and other not associated with sun .sun governs GOVT and Medical fields . ]

second from it is mercury [ for both ] showing good education of husbands .

Profession is known by atmakaraka or 10th from it .

Rahu in karkamsha gives a person indulging in LOHAYANTRAKRUT [ engineering ] …. Seventh from lagna in shastyamsha  of elder twin has RAHU as jupiter is aspecting gives auspicious results .[ usually just rahu gives losses and person adheres to malpractises ]

Seventh from Lagna in younger one is pisces [ d 60 ] 10th from this has moon aspected by mercury

Budh drishte vidhao sadvaidyah …… so says parashara .

Sadvaidyah means a good doctor .

Thus elder one married Engineer and younger married a doctor .

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why residence in foriegn for one ?

Twelfth from Atmakarak in elder one has jupiter moon and lord sun is free from malefic effects showing residence in own country , however 12th jupiter has mars aspect may give foreign travels later in life .

In shashtiamsha 12th lord and 12 house is free from malefic s .

BOth charts D60 and rashi of elder twin  have benefic  influences only .

whereas in younger twin …..

Twelfth from Rahu [ in rashi ]  has saturn and its lord jupiter also has mars aspect , indicating residence in foriegn country  ,as shashtiamsha has 12 th and 12 lord both heavily afflicted .

Now for marriage timing

Elder one married in moon dasha mercury antar in venus

In navamsha seventh house has mercury aspected by moon .

NOW why did second twin not marry in this dasha .

When we look at kala dasha

Saturn dasha is operating , saturn is papargala for upapada of younger one and shubhargala for elder one ie saturns aids marriage for elder and stopped marriage for younger one .

Both of them married in kalachakra dasha of pisces ie saptamadhipati  saturn and younger one married in MARS dasha a planet in seventh house .

Both of them married in chakra dasha of virgo where venus is posited , and antardasha of their respective upapada rashi .

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krishnarpanamastu

Note : Astrology is a definitive science , and it offers wide range of analysis to  a person , if only everyone strives hard to get exact time of birth of their new borns , one can delineate all the events accurately .

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Comments on: "Astrology of twins -a study !" (27)

  1. Its quite amazing to know about the analysis of twins birth chart over here. Also what i have noticed here is, being twins there are certain differences in their birth chart, is that really possible……? Because as much i have known about Horoscopes at Birth that too of twins minor variations can be there but not the major ones…this is something new to me. You can also visit : http://astrobix.com/horoscope/birthchart/ to know more on Birth charts.

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  2. Respected Acharya,

    With SSS using the same time as original, I find differences in the D-4,D-24, D-30, D-10. Jhora 7.51.

    My observations are as below:

    1. D-24 – Elder twin has Gemini rising with 9th house as Aquarius that contains Sat+Sun+Venus. With Saturn in own house, the probability of Science/Technology stream increases. There are many planetary influences on 9th house here. But primarily 9th lord must have a say. For the younger twin, d-24 has cancer rising giving Pisces as 9th house. Jupiter can give degree in financial discipline.

    2. D-10 – With Venus as Amk for both, the probability of the beauty clinic. For elder one, the A10 falls in the 12th house of cancer without any benefic aspect, as it is leo rising, thereby more probability of work in foreign lands. Whereas for younger twin, A-10 is in 8th house with self placed Saturn and Lagna Lord Moon.

    3. D-4. The elder twin has Libra rising which is 4th house of Rasi indicating fate prominently in the own country. Whereas for Younger twin it is Capricorn rising which is 7th house of Rasi, indicating fate relating to husband as being bigger priority. For elder the 4th lord of Rasi Venus is with self placed jupiter, whereas for Younger twin, the 4th lord venus is with malefic saturn. This maleficence takes her away from home in foreign land, as Venus+Sat aspect 12th. With jup in mooltrikona with Venus for elder, this does not happen.

    The chest trouble is owing to Mercury being 22nd Parasara drekana. Mercury being karaka for chest region. I think both should have same problem sooner or later.

    I am not sure how to time marriages, so i cannot comment on the same. Also UL calculations and Karakamsha related concepts I am still learning from your posts. Have been sick for last 9-10 days. Although I read them all, but can hardly concentrate. Kindly allow me more time to learn.

    Just my humble two bits. Kindly corrrect me where ever my thought process is haywire.

    Regards
    K

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    • 1.there is no evidence to see higher education from 9th house .
      education more so vidya is seen from 2nd and fourth only .
      excellent application of academics are seen from 5th .
      exhibition of exceptional talent is seen from 5th house .

      all these can be seen from D24 . but ninth is not subjective .

      2. D10 does not give any indication of foriegn residence . residence in foriegn cuntry is duryoga , d10 gives exceptional results wrt to power and position .
      3. D4 is good analysis , fortunes from foriegn lands is reiterated , as seventh indicates foriegn travels .
      4 . debilitated 4th lord in rashi aspected by saturn is enough cause chest troubles .
      5. Just because AK is venus , one cannot attribute beauty clinic /course to a person , will we do the same for other horo with AK as venus .

      moreover when there is diverse results then such diversity must be visible in rashi as Karakas differ in RASHI , so also results .

      as AK changed , seventh from AK has two different planets for twins ,
      and twelfth from AK has benefics for one and malefic for others . there is vsiible difference .

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  3. karthik said:

    poojaneeyamaina gurugariki,

    as you have pointed exactly in this article… almost birthdata of 99% of people in present day world are wrong.. when that is the case how can one refer to astrology these days accurately? please forgive me if i am wrong.. is there any method to verify/know one’s birthdata perfectly?

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    • astrology of a person is dependent on 16 charts and scores of variables .
      1. rashi chart which usually everyone shows to astrology is most sthula jatak ;
      it differs only in two hours . so it gives most of the facts in abroad spectrum .

      then hora drekkana spatamsha navamsha dashamsha these change if there is difference of 10-12 minutes .

      if accuracy of birth time is within ten twelve minutes then we can also predict on these charts .

      if not then accurate details of individuals should not be expected .
      however most of the events of individuals can still be said if a lagna is accurate in rashi chart and if there are no considerable planetary moments during that period .

      birth time can be rectiied if some events are known .

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      • absence of astrological comments on this post shows this blog is not read by any astrologers , or perhaps those who have read have nothing to say about this issue and yet do not find it worth commenting .

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      • Hari Raghavendra said:

        or perhaps they could not find a fault in this article and may be its way above their understanding.

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      • karthik said:

        poojaneeyamaina gurugariki,

        as you have accurately pointed out sir, i do not know even .00001% of astrology… please forgive me regarding this if i have offended you by asking you above question..

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  4. Nice post Guruji …my cousin also had twin daughters in 2008 🙂

    Guruji is Shravana nakshatra paapa graha?
    What’s one major highlight of people born under this nakshatra?

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  5. guruji pranam
    respected sir which software u r useing,according to jaganath hora moon is at 26le25 and according to ur software moon is20le15,also sir in navamansa 7th house has mars in both the chart aspected by jupiter.and sir if we go with jaganath hora atmakarka changes frm ven to moon.sir please let me know which software to use.also sir lagana for lagana chart is sagitarus. but all the planets are same in degree and same house.sir please help,
    humble pranama

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    • sorry sir i had mistaken some where,but still sir there is variation in degree.

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    • Jhora gives charakaraka differently in all its options , charakaraka tabulations are different in practise . degrees are also slightly different . I have my own calculations .

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      • respected guruji pranama,
        the degree i have got according j hora for elder one
        lagana 14cn50
        sun 9sc00
        moon20le19
        mars2cp07
        mer22li01
        jup12le52
        ven23vi57
        sat9pi42
        rahu4ar46
        ket4li46
        and for younger one is
        lagana15cn30
        sun9sc00
        moon20le21
        mar2cp07
        mer22li01
        jup12le52
        ven23vi58
        sat9pi42
        rah4ar46
        ketali46
        also sir lagana of shastyamsa is aquaries for younger one and sagitarius for older one sir please explain which one to consider ,
        humble pranama.

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  6. Dear Sir

    Nadi Shastra does seem like an elaborate slide rule. Crude analogy would be logarithmic tables and other similar mathematical slide rules. Regarding commercial Nadi astrologers today most of them really are quacks who don’t have an iota of knowledge and lack the patience to even ask questions. Getting to the right Nadi would take same expertise, patience and intuition. I once went to a Nadi Astrologer (a popular one) I was put off as soon as I entered the premises. I was asked my name but I only gave my first syllable after some time and asking some more questions the guy began to loose patience and finally asked my birth nakshatra finally he reached one Nadi and began reading the results in Tamil which were translated for my benefit to english I insisted on getting the chart on the Nadi which was very different from my natal one. Though some information did meet my description but I was still disappointed and didn’t wait for remedies and further readings.

    I have also had an very interesting experience we have a family friend (Advaitin) who is known to be very intuitive and gives prediction after some meditation. Though I myself go by intuition most of the time I was quite skeptic when it comes to things like these. So once I was going through a very rough phase in life away from home for quite some time with little support from anywhere my mother was worried and wanted me to come home but I was reluctant till I achieved something. So one day I got a call from my mother she said someone wanted to talk to me, it was same family friend he inquired what I was doing I gave a very vague answer and kept dishing out wide balls, suddenly he said I am wasting my time and I should come back home and things would improve only after six months, I was amused since I was upon a major breakthrough which could have been a turning point in my life. I had not mentioned this to my mother as I wanted to surprise my family. Moreover from my perspective I was assured of my success In my opinion I had done a solid work and could not fail. I had shock of my life and I felt I was robbed off my golden opportunity by fate I had left no stone unturned and still had to face disappointment. It felt like a divine intervention of some kind I couldn’t have failed with the amount of effort and follow through I had put up. And to add to the injury I did had a very disappointing six months full of wandering and delusions but I learned a lot during those days. I was impressed and personally went to meet this person but was disappointed then as he gave very vague answers this time and seemed out of touch. I was again surprised a year after as he predicted my success when I had no hopes at all with exact dates!!! Though I have heard about Karnapishachini and Panchaanguli vidyas but the person does seem to be helpful and wished well (not an all out tamsic types person for sure) even then I have always maintained a respectful distance from what I didn’t understand fully.

    Sir, Regarding the time of birth in case of complicated births what should be taken as birth time as my mother says I had quiet a complicated birth (chord around the neck) which well extended to several hours from night to wee hours early in the morning.

    Sincere Pranaams
    Hare Srinivasa.

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  7. Hari Raghavendra said:

    Respected Sir,
    First of all thanks for your reply. Many things have become clear. Let me put my understanding as a list
    1. Nadi actually do not say anything about a individual, it outlines the general life pattern of a particular character based on planetary positions( here say Hari Raghavendra is a character and those who are born under particular planetary positions will behave like this in general).Like we all know the general life of mythical characters like Vaali and Sugreeva, it will happen once again and the general prediction may come true but there may be some changes due to the sadhana of that particular jeeva as all souls are not the same.
    2.Nadi is an extension of astrological treatises , sages have outlined general life based on all planetary positions and the readers generally match that leaf and read the Nadi.
    3. If you consider the above points, then I believe I can say Nadi is more of a book of astrology with illustrations.
    4. An astrologer with good knowledge can make use of this Nadi and predict the future of an individual accurately.
    Is the above conclusions correct or am I missing something here.

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    • yes nadi is just a book of astrology with advance principles . and not an individuals life reading .

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      • Hari Raghavendra said:

        Thanks for the reply , I believe I now have a greater idea about Nadi and can explain many phenomenon regarding that. Once again many thanks for spending your precious time for clearing the doubts.

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  8. Many thanks for this article Chiraanji.
    Why does our panchang recommend ‘janana shanti’ for births in certain nakshatras and also for twin births ? Is it inauspicious ?

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    • anything unusual is not good for family , so shanti is required . its strain on mothers health etc . regarding nakshatras , stars tell about papa and punya of the karma , so papa nakshatras result in sin that may propagate , so shanti is done .

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  9. Hari Raghavendra said:

    Respected Sir,
    Great post, I always had few doubts on how to use astrology regarding twins. This clears a great deal about that. Sure much more research is to be done regarding astrology .I would like to share this article with my astro interested friends. But there is also one more thing that amuses me. I want to know what is your take on Nadi astrology. In Nadi astrology , as per my view they also follow same astrological treatises , the only noticeable change may be they use vaakya panchanga. But how are they(sages) able to predict the future lives of so many people. Is there a formula in astrology which says that if a person is born in a particular planetary positions in this lifetime then he will be born in a particular planetary positions in the next life time.
    Sorry it may sound foolish and arrogant, the Nadi readers say its divya drusthi of sages. I don’t doubt the divya drusthi , but I believe the knowledge of astrology of sages has played an important part here . The more I think about Nadi, I feel there is a pattern or formula by which we can write the birth charts of a person for all his births.
    And lastly I think English lacks honorifics, and I feel very uncomfortable when addressing superiors and sages in English as they lack honorifics as in other Indian languages.

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    • You have asked a very good question on nadi . This answer should serve as the definitive for may people who have been misled disillusioned or dejected by nadi .
      first of nadi is not related to one particular individual even though the name matches .
      let me explain :
      as we are today discussing this topic in 5110 kali era 28th kali , similarly in 29th kali too some chiraan will discuss this topic with some HARIRAGHAVENDRA .
      But definitely that chiraan and HAri will not be both of us . then who are they …….
      In one set of soul in tartamya there will be infinite souls of same kakshya .
      as there are infinite VAYU , infinite RUDRA infinite INDRA , not same INDRA comes into play every manvantara , not same vali comes in RAMAYANA in every tretayuga .
      BUt RAMAYANA occurs in TRETAYUGA everytime is known fact . Tretayuga comes 2000 times in Brahma’s day , And events is RAMAYANa is foreknown , it would be cynical to assume that same characters play same roles againa nd again 2000 times aday and for next 36000 days .

      but why does this happen , everytime in RAMAYANA a new set of SOUL operate with similar names and the sadha varies with each soul and so does small differences in story too .
      LIKE in one manvantara GANESHA has married , in another GANESHA did not marry .
      In one kalpa VARAHA raised earth in another this did not take place .
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      having given some background ………
      let us see what is NADI ?

      when we study astrology , we come across a book which says
      1 IF SUN IS IN ARIES PHALA ……………………..
      2. IF BHAVA OF 6TH HAS 12TH LORD ………………………….
      3. IF MOON IS IN 3RD BHAVA …………………….

      What we can see is there are results ascribed to different combination ie palnet rashi 2. planet bhava 3. bhava rashi 4. planet bhava rashi
      so for each combination there is one result pronounced , if astrology were so simple as just enumerating these results and ascribing it to the subject , then I think softwares would be best predicting astrologers . But experiences denies this why . BECAUSE everything written as combination cannot be applied verbatim . and sages say ” balaabal vivekena phalam vidu ”
      what is balaabal viveka , is itself a very secretive part of astology . Most of the astrologers feel shadbala is balaabal , then there vimshopaka bala , then jaimini bala . satyacharya uses simple svamsha , vargottama for balaabal . so it is a altogether different to know result and apply it .

      Extending the logic , some sages have written results for two planets [ one nadi ] three planets in various rashis like sun in aries , moon in taurus and mars in gemini you can attribute a result ……………similarly four planet combinations …………
      as the planets increase so also the number of leaves ………………
      when we know all the planets in one combination of distribution in 12 rashi , ie 12P9 permutations we have a as many leaves and now at this point there is a methodology to find the letters of the name as well .
      here too these results cannot be applied verbatim , balaabal has to seen that means it varies for each individual .

      the discussion in nadi is about the principle and not about the life of an individual . just as we discuss , so sages discuss on vedanga . it has been recorded and while studying and looked into while learning .

      let me elaborate , a chess player in the beginning plays on his mental strength . the number of combinations he can view and imagine while playing a move .
      some better players can imagine a three four level of combination of moves , a good player does many permutations in his mind . but masters use softwares where a opening of move is analysed till endgames , and with few moves one can know what kind of end game we will be encountering . In this level of game mere knwoledge of few moves is not enough , one must know end points as well , and if one knows in advance that the following moves end into a two rook and a bishop situation , then rules of end game require to safeguard them and advance some pawns .
      grandmasters , after knwoing all the combinations when they play anothet grandmaster , they analyse a pattern in the games played previously by the player and tries formulate a startegy to defeat him by exploiting his weakness .

      in nutshell , a game is more ineteresting with more database at disposal .

      so when a LAGNA is known , then each degree foretells a outline of lifestyle , which gets suitably modified by planetary combinations .
      this happens with balaabal .
      NAdis are just enumeration fo rules and not balaabal vivekanvit anveshana . means it does ot use discretionary rules wrt individuals , it is the responsibility of astrologer .
      Most nadi readers do not even know A B C of the astrology , now NADI is compilation of grahas placement wrt other planets as well , its not individual horscope [ so one can use any panchange to arrive at a combination of planets and read , if panchang is marginally correct even then most of the combinations would meet and individual will get some good predictions ] , if astrologer reads a nadi he would suitably give results and become famous , others would just read and make money , this is akin to shastra vikraya , which results in sin . its like this if one who does not know a b c of astrology , picks up few positions of sun and moon etc and then reads from some astro book saying because moon is in lagna , the person will goodlooking and given to mood swings [ will this prediction not come true ] …..[ for most of lagna moon candidates it will come true except for saturnmoon rahu in lagna , this person will complain his nadi reading said he is handsome whereas it is not so , but a andi where lagna with sat rahu and moon combinations are dealt will definitely say he is no goodlooking and has diseases of face will have extra marital affairs and strained relations with mother , now the person will say yes KAUSHIKA NADI was right , but again if his fourth lord or matrukarak is exalted strained relation of mother prediction will go wrong , he would then say kaushik gave 90% right but not 100 % , only a DAIVAGNYA can say accurately , and not nakshatrasuchaka , so one must not show NADI get disillusioned ]
      Some use kshudramantras to know names and then use vakya panchanga to locate a leaf and read , it may come right …
      There is no link between nadi and panchanga and time of birth .

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      • KrishnaFan said:

        Poojyulaina Guruvugaariki pranamamulu.

        Please clear this doubt regarding the bhumika you have given on this Nadi Jyotisha topic.

        Guruvu gaaru, Ramayana and Mahabharata will repeat in every Treta and Dwapara yugas in every manvantara as they involve Lord’s Leelas. But do ordinary humans’ life incidents repeat too? In every Kaliyuga do these things happen, like Westerners ruling India, and Avaideeka religions prevailing in other parts fo the world?

        Humble pranaams.

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  10. Dear Chiraanji
    Nice to see your posts after the break you took
    Regards

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